[balik]

Any help will be appreciated

http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwcatfishl&1246160769


They look to me more like PANGIO Kuhli
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Bedotia leucopteron Madagascar, C. campsi, P.furcatus, P.gertrudae, M. herbertaxelrodi,M. boesmani "red",M. nigrans, M.praecox, M. Parva, Telmatherina ladigesi [Celebs Bows],Goo obo gudgeons, Red Neon Goby [Stiphodon Elegans], Black Line Sand Goby [Stiphdon Ornatus], Rhino Goby ??

[mikev]

Likely a mix.

Of the three photos, I cannot say anything about the top, the middle is P.Myersi all right, and the bottom is likely P.Kuhli.

[balik]

Same here...I am confused .
Pedro said, they came are Myersi however he is not 100% sure also.
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Bedotia leucopteron Madagascar, C. campsi, P.furcatus, P.gertrudae, M. herbertaxelrodi,M. boesmani "red",M. nigrans, M.praecox, M. Parva, Telmatherina ladigesi [Celebs Bows],Goo obo gudgeons, Red Neon Goby [Stiphodon Elegans], Black Line Sand Goby [Stiphdon Ornatus], Rhino Goby ??

[mikev]

I have not seen P.Myersi's for a couple of years, it is nice they show up again now. In the past, all P.Myersi shipments I've seen were mixes too. It is much more fun to be able to pick up (and pick) the fish rather then get an unpredictable mix in the mail.

[milalic]

now you got me confused! If I remember correctly, the three pictures are of the same pictures.

What should I look at to differentiate them?

[mikev]

The stuff is confusing indeed. There are more than two species involved (also, P.semicincta), and I suspect there are more species out there that are not recognized but exported. Definitely there are geographic variations as well. Nobody knows if P.Myersi can hybridize with P.Kuhli and if "intermediate" species exist out there...they might.

Your aquabid ad has three photos.

The first one,
http://www.invertzfactory.com/images/coolie_loach/coolie.jpg
shows only the face...not enough to see
The second,
http://www.invertzfactory.com/images/coolie_loach/coolie_4.jpg
shows likely a Myersi. Characteristics: the bars go deep down, the color is orange/red, the sides of the black bars should be nearly vertical -- this last one they are not quite, but I think close enough (the angle of the photo does not allow to be certain), and finally, the tail should have >50% black, again not exactly the case on the photo, but close enough, I think. (One of my Myersi's is nearly like the photo). Generally, a perfect P.Myersi will have black bars that are rectangles, going all the way to the bottom, with narrow orange lines between them.
The third photo,
http://www.invertzfactory.com/images/coolie_loach/coolie_5.jpg
shows that the bars are not vertical at all: they are almost triangular, and they do not reach the belly, stopping at the lateral or a bit below it. This is P.Kuhli.

It is possible that if one sees a side view of the 2nd fish, it will also have narrowing down stripes, in which case it would be P.Kuhli.

Hope this makes sense.
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Poecilia sp. Endleri, Rhinogobius Wui, Danio Rerio, Chlamydogobius Eremius, Corydoras Metae, Sewellia sp. Spotted, M.lacustris, P.signifer, Tateurndina ocellicauda, Pseudogastromyson Myersi, Ansistrus Sp, Corydoras Panda, Sturisoma Aureum, P.gertrudae, P.furcata, M.praecox, M.maccullochi, D.hikari, M.parva, Sewellia Elongata, P.connieae, ....?

[mikev]

PS. I looked at LOL index, and in the mix of photos under P.Myersi, this one should be helpful:
http://www.loaches.com/species-index/photos/p/Pangio_myersi_02.jpg

notice the orange colored lines being lines, they do not widen toward the belly, like in your 3rd photo.
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Poecilia sp. Endleri, Rhinogobius Wui, Danio Rerio, Chlamydogobius Eremius, Corydoras Metae, Sewellia sp. Spotted, M.lacustris, P.signifer, Tateurndina ocellicauda, Pseudogastromyson Myersi, Ansistrus Sp, Corydoras Panda, Sturisoma Aureum, P.gertrudae, P.furcata, M.praecox, M.maccullochi, D.hikari, M.parva, Sewellia Elongata, P.connieae, ....?

[balik]

THanks,

I think these are Pangio Kuhli.....indeed.
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[mikev]

If I find old photos of my P.Myersi, I'll upload them. Unfortunately, all of mine shifted to nocturnal life, I can only see pieces of fish under driftwood lately.

BTW, I have a premonition that there will be sinis available within a month...those are much more fun than kuhlis. (Sinis are like a cross between a kuhli and a tiger loach if such a definition makes any sense).

[mikev]

This may help: the knot below is a mix of P.Myersi/P.kuhli, mostly the first; this is a photo from 2007 I took in a local store...the last time I saw Myersi's for sale:



The front fish in the top photo is P.Myersi, the one marked with an arrow is not.



And here is a P.Myersi I have somewhere under driftwood, photo from 2006, rather bad camera then



Notice how regular the stripes are; also the orange on top and yellow lower: I've seen several P.Myersi's like this.

hth
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Poecilia sp. Endleri, Rhinogobius Wui, Danio Rerio, Chlamydogobius Eremius, Corydoras Metae, Sewellia sp. Spotted, M.lacustris, P.signifer, Tateurndina ocellicauda, Pseudogastromyson Myersi, Ansistrus Sp, Corydoras Panda, Sturisoma Aureum, P.gertrudae, P.furcata, M.praecox, M.maccullochi, D.hikari, M.parva, Sewellia Elongata, P.connieae, ....?

[plaamoo]

Mike, when you say "sinis" are you referring to sinobotia pulchra/superciliaris?
http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/closed.cgi?view_closed_item&fwcatfishl1245785637

[mikev]

Yep. I saw this ad but I'm afraid of this particular vendor and they will likely appear from others before long since they are being exported now.

Here is the clip of mine playing with the food:



you don't get this from kuhlis....

the only problem is that once they are settled in and fat, they are no longer interested in food or playing....so I'm tempted to get more _hungry_ ones.
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Poecilia sp. Endleri, Rhinogobius Wui, Danio Rerio, Chlamydogobius Eremius, Corydoras Metae, Sewellia sp. Spotted, M.lacustris, P.signifer, Tateurndina ocellicauda, Pseudogastromyson Myersi, Ansistrus Sp, Corydoras Panda, Sturisoma Aureum, P.gertrudae, P.furcata, M.praecox, M.maccullochi, D.hikari, M.parva, Sewellia Elongata, P.connieae, ....?

[plaamoo]

I've got just one, crazy fish! It's in with a bunch of botias and I rarely see it, same as the khulis.