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marine590622
Joined: 09 Oct 2009 Posts: 173
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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We just recently started a new fish club here in Madison, to include a breeders award program.
Part of the challenge of the breeders award program is that a percentage of your points have to be from breeding harder to spawn fish.
So in addition to keeping and breeding the fish that I personnally want to breed, I also keep an eye out for fish that are more difficult to spawn. (As a founding member of our new club, I am trying to develope interest in our club and Breeders awards Program by setting an example) These laser corries are going to fit the bill as a harder to breed species, in addition to which I love the colors and would like to have these going in several of my tanks. |
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mikev

Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 2264 Location: NYC
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| marine590622 wrote: | | These laser corries are going to fit the bill as a harder to breed species |
I wonder if this is true: how is the BAP program set up to rate individual cory species? It is very difficult to write objective definition of which are difficult to spawn and which ones are not. You are sure to get the bonus of the first in the club, and not to get the one for the first in the country (Frank did it).
I'm not into BAP myself. The local club, GCAS has a BAP program, and lute17 is the local champion. I could have gotten the bonus for the first S.Albusiera breeding in the US and something good for a couple more species, but the idea of risking the fry by bringing them to a club just to earn some points is unappealing.
Well, if you want those lasers, you may want to consider getting them now. CW023 are indeed very rare and I think Frank may be getting rid of the only ones he has. |
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marine590622
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Our BAP program has a diffinitive list of seven or eight questions regarding the difficulty of breeding for each specific species.
I do not have the list of questions at hand but we started with the bap points of the Milwaukee club and then adjusted from there, We have a standing policy that you may submit a request to have the points for a species reevaluated prior to your submission. As part of the policy you have to answer each of these questions.
If I remember correctly, if the species has specific dietary requirements,
if the species has specific water chemistry requirements
etc.
etc
etc.
I personnaly am of a two minds when it comes to the whole idea of the BAP program, In one regard I believe it encourages people to get a species in, breed it, dump the fry, and dump the parents and move on.
And with a lot of what I enjoy doing, that is not the approach that I want to take. I would like to see our BAP program adjusted to give bonus points for things like aquiring a species as eggs, raising to adult, and then succesfully spawning the species.
As regards the issue of chancing the fry to strangers, we have a hold-back available once per year, so if you are working with something that is very rare or expensive you can use your hold back to keep the fry yourself,
In addition the prices on our BAP auctions have not gotten that out of hand to date, so if I am concerned about something I am bringing in, I will just bid on it myself, the club still gets the money, but I get to keep my fry. |
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mikev

Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 2264 Location: NYC
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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I do wonder how BAP figures out which cories are difficult... they all have pretty similar water and diet requirement....
| Quote: | | As regards the issue of chancing the fry to strangers,.. |
My concern is not this. I brought some fry to the club; but with some others I'm just not willing to bring them to the club to show and then take back, the points are just not worth the risks. _________________ Poecilia sp. Endleri, Rhinogobius Wui, Danio Rerio, Chlamydogobius Eremius, Corydoras Metae, Sewellia sp. Spotted, M.lacustris, P.signifer, Tateurndina ocellicauda, Pseudogastromyson Myersi, Ansistrus Sp, Corydoras Panda, Sturisoma Aureum, P.gertrudae, P.furcata, M.praecox, M.maccullochi, D.hikari, M.parva, Sewellia Elongata, P.connieae, ....? |
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Mark~N

Joined: 14 Mar 2009 Posts: 1120 Location: MA
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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now This is something worth working with..
I like challenges..  |
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mikev

Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 2264 Location: NYC
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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This is one of the two entries I've been considering (the other is A.Albater, available from both Frank and E.Bodrock now)....not to worry, I'm not bidding now, if any cory, it would be C.Rabauti.
Nice fish and a better price too... |
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Mark~N

Joined: 14 Mar 2009 Posts: 1120 Location: MA
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't even seeThose til you mentioned it!
Very nice indeed!.And not a large Cory species either! right up my alley... I mean ... your alley  |
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mikev

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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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I think I told you about them when AmazonBasement was selling them (those incidentally were also juveniles bred by Bodrock)... really nice, but it is impossible to have every nice cory that exists....so I'm salivating but passing.
Nay, with that photo you convinced me that I want Rabauti's before anything else.....
OFFTOPIC: something that occurred to me. Maybe the reason I'm not getting any eggs from C.Pygmeus is the presence of Endlers in their tank? It never occurred to me but some people claim that guppies are bad egg eaters... any idea? |
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Mark~N

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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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didn't realize they were from Eric, who we know has some nice rare cory's too.
hmmm. wouldn't have the slightest about elders or guppies.never kept either |
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mikev

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marine590622
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| I do not keep anything in with my Endlers that I want to breed. I would be willing to bet that is what is happening. |
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Mark~N

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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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It was time to move another group to a new tank.
I decided they would do good with a group of gertrdaea raised at the same time to a 30gal in my Bow Den  |
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rainbowbratt
Joined: 17 Feb 2009 Posts: 573
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| mikev wrote: |
My concern is not this. I brought some fry to the club; but with some others I'm just not willing to bring them to the club to show and then take back, the points are just not worth the risks. |
Our BAP guy will come out to your house(or if you host a board meeting, all the board members come to your house for the meeting...) and they will give the points then, without you having to chance bringing your prized fish to a meeting, and you dont have to sell them if you dont want to--if its a rare species that is... maybe you could ask them to make an exception for any rare fish you breed?? Sometimes these guys will accept a picture too, just depends. They are pretty trusting here. They just want to see people having fun, breeding fish, and understand when its a cool and rare species that you dont want to take chances with. |
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